Tuesday, July 7, 2009

In what ways is the Church living out the vision of Vatican II, and in what ways the Church is not living out

In what ways is the Church living out the vision of Vatican II, and in what ways the Church is not living out?
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1 :
In a lot of ways, the current pope is trying to roll back Vatican II all the way to the 1400's
2 :
The Council's teaching on the role of the laity has, paradoxically, led to a certain clericalisation of the laity, and bishops have often given the impression that the way to implement the decree on the laity is to build up as large a bureaucracy as possible and set up innumerable committees and commissions. Indeed, at times it seems that human organisation has made the Spirit redundant. This has also affected the search for Christian unity, which is not always best served by proliferating ecumenical structures.
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The good points of vatican 2 were the mass in english and the Church wanting the faithful to study scripture and the catechism. The negative is that the Church seemed to want to appear more protestant. Many of the things going in the Church today would have had even Martin Luther turning in his grave. Many traditional protestants are not in favor of the modern catholic practices as some of them are not Catholic practices at all. The use of unchecked unintelligible laymen teaching catechism classes is among these. Not giving the sacraments proper respect. Vatican 2 brought both positive and negative influences into the church. Ask some older Catholics and they will tell you.
4 :
Your question is too broad. There are 14 Vatican II documents, and most of them are quite long. The goals of Vatican II were for the Church to take a serious look at her response to the modern world and see if she is meeting the goals passed on to her from Christ Himself: the salvation of souls. This is not just a spiritual directive, but a temporal one as well as it has to do with how we as Catholics respond to the actual needs of people in a world that is not exactly receptive to the Gospel. In what ways is the Church living it out? I would advise you to take a look at what Catholics are doing, everywhere to carry out both the spiritual and temporal messages of the Gospel. This covers many things, to many to name here. Check out Vatican Information Service at http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/vis/vis_en.html which you can subscribe to - it gives you an idea of what the Vatican is doing, but you'll also see what Catholics are doing throughout the world. In what ways is the Church NOT living it out? Well, we're lacking in our liturgical practices (worship) although it's getting better. For example, the changes in the liturgy after Vatican II (depending on one's geographical location at that time) were far more rapid than expected or directed, and in fact, they took a path that was never anticipated. The actual Vatican II document on the Liturgy, "Sacrosanctum Concilium", states the following: "36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites" Latin was tossed out in most places, entirely, yet it remains the formal language of the Church as it is very very precise and all other languages are to be translated from the original Latin if possible. IN many ways, in many places, we witness and experience outright disobedience to those documents, especially with regard to the Liturgy. In part, there are many misunderstandings because of the poor translation into the vernacular, which, in the English world gave us the phrase "active participation". The Latin reads, in Sacrosanctum Concilium, "participatio actuosa", properly translated as "actual participation". This has to do not only with actions, but points more acutely to an AWARENESS of what is happening in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, in the prayers, in the mystery, so that we can truly pray the Mass throughout and respond, fully aware of what we are saying and why - whether in Latin or the vernacular. We so far have failed at this as people are STILL under the mistaken impression that the Holy Mass is about community, when in reality, and a reality stated by Vatican II, the Mass is about God, about worship of God, not about US. Vatican II called for more use of scripture within the liturgy, for the laity to participate in the Liturgy of the Hours, and primarily, to respond to the Universal Call to Holiness. In fact, Bl. Pope John Paul II's entire pontificate was spent trying to properly implement Vatican II - something he began as an Archbishop. Read the book "Sources of the Renewal" to learn more. We have a long way to go to properly implement Vatican II, but the reality is also that Vatican I hasn't even come to fruition yet! Neither has the Council of Trent, which remains as relevant today as it was back then. The important thing is to read and understand the documents of Vatican II in what is called the "hermeneutic of continuity", that being an understanding of the past, of theological definition and the importance of Sacred Scripture and Tradition together. It's not an antithesis of the past, but rather, Vatican II is a reinforcement of what has always been true, desperately needed in a time where people were losing touch with all of it. Pope Benedict XVI has done extensive work on the liturgy and is helping us to understand how making the traditional form of the Mass (currently called the Mass in the Extraordinary Form) is not a step back, but is necessary for organic growth and connection with the Mass that we have today, the Ordinary Form. The Latin Mass was never suppressed by the Church or in any documentation. In fact, John Paul II tried to emphasize in directives to the Bishops that they should be allowing and encouraging its use. I hope some of this is of assistance to you. I'll cite more reading materials for you below.
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Exodus 20:8-11. Jesus is God - John 8:24; 8:56-59 (see Exodus 3:14); John 10:30-33 2.Jesus is called God - John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8 3.Jesus is the image of the invisible God - Heb. 1:3 4.Jesus abides forever - Heb. 7:24 5.Jesus created all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17 6.Jesus is before all things - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:17; 7.Jesus is eternal - John 1:1,14; 8:58; Micah 5:1-2 8.Jesus is honored the same as the Father - John 5:23 9.Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60; 1 Cor. 1:2 with Psalm 116:4; (John 14:14) 10.Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6 11.Jesus is omnipresent - Matt. 18:20; 28:20 12.Jesus is with us always - Matt. 28:20 13.Jesus is our only mediator between God and ourselves - 1 Tim. 2:5 14.Jesus is the guarantee of a better covenant - Heb. 7:22; 8:6 15.Jesus said, "I AM the Bread of Life" - John 6:35,41,48,51 16.Jesus said, "I AM the Door" - John 10:7,9 17.Jesus said, "I AM the Good Shepherd" - John 10:11,14 18.Jesus said, "I AM the Way the Truth and The Life" - John 14:6 19.Jesus said, "I AM the Light of the world" - John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46; Luke 2:32 20.Jesus said, "I AM the True Vine" - John 15:1,5 21.Jesus said, "I AM the Resurrection and the Life" - John 11:25 22.Jesus said, "I AM the First and the Last" - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 23.Jesus always lives to make intercession for us - Heb. 7:25 24.Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9 25.Jesus cleanses us from our sins by His blood - Rev. 1:5; Rom. 5:9 26.Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48 27.Jesus saves forever - Matt. 18:11; John 10:28; Heb. 7:25 28.Jesus discloses Himself to us - John 14:21 29.Jesus draws all men to Himself - John 12:32 30.Jesus gives eternal life - John 10:28; 5:40






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